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Go to page. First Prev of Go to page. smilingbuddha Arch-Supremacy Member. Joined Feb 3, Messages 10, Reaction score As long as you stick to the basic strategy on a 6-deck Spanish 21, you lower house edge to ~ 0.

Whatever other players do, does not affect your edge. A simple google search would have yielded you such results. If you are lazy, let me help you out.

datolim Senior Member. Joined May 30, Messages Reaction score 0. smilingbuddha said:. Care to elaborate? Its always easier to pin the blame on the lousy player who "kill" your hands with his lousy play, than to acknowledge that your loss is attributable to variability. Blackjack is an independent game i.

its not a team game , whatever card that other players take has no effect whatsoever on your hand. It does not matter even if another player split his 10's, it does not affect the probabilities on your hand. Have a read on Edward Thorpe's book. Your long held myth ought to be debunked today.

Click to expand Smarty2 Senior Member. Joined Apr 24, Messages 1, Reaction score Then no point if they are going to stop people who go daily. Joined Jul 13, Messages 21, Reaction score 8, Wahahaha Heard that. At least i dont earn much from them. Def not a whale. A few thousands a month would be under the radar.

Smarty2 said:. Paul Lee Supremacy Member. Joined Jan 1, Messages 5, Reaction score The statement in red is factually not right. Nonetheless, thanks for all the tips! JohnTKS said:. Paul Lee is correct. You are wrong. Last edited: Jul 26, aurvandil Senior Member. Joined Apr 11, Messages Reaction score Paul Lee said:.

Now imagine the guy drawing 15 bet min and the next player bet a few hundred. You can see how problematic things can escalate. And like I say, I have seen it quite frequently actually. Tats why many a time u see a lone player having the whole table to himself in short - whatever decision u make is a means to an end as long it's allowed by the dealer well if u can win why not?

aurvandil said:. You tend to lose more if you play as a lone player. This is because the time to play 1 hand decreases dramatically. If you are grinding for points, it is best to play at crowded tables, preferably with newbies who don't know the rules well and take more time to play.

Want to know how to win at blackjack? Then before you play blackjack strategy for real money, read our expert guide. Read more. Our experts are often faced with the question, 'What is the best blackjack strategy?

In our blackjack guide, you will find notes on some of the systems that can actually gain the player a mathematical advantage when playing online blackjack.

For this reason, we recommend employing any blackjack strategy with caution. Please be aware that the following strategies are only valid where the game being played is not shuffled after every hand, or depend on a weak dealer providing the players more information than they should have.

As such they cannot gain an advantage where the player is using Random Number Generator RNG games — the computerized versions of Blackjack found at online casinos. There are live casino games available online where some of the techniques described below may be applicable, but in my opinion the game conditions available online are not conducive to gaining any sustainable level of advantage.

The moment that a computer is used to keep track of the cards or perform calculations, this becomes a violation of gaming law. We strongly discourage anyone from engaging in any form of illegal activity. The fundamental premise behind Card Counting is that high cards benefit the player while low cards benefit the dealer.

There are several reasons for this;. Therefore, if the player and the dealer alternated in receiving Blackjacks, the player would win an additional half bet for every 2 hands played. This is also the reason that low cards benefit the dealer more than the players.

There are other reasons high value cards benefit the player, but the above are the strongest factors. As such if the player knows that there are more high cards than low cards left to be in the deck — depending on the rules and the number of extra high cards — the player can have the advantage over the house.

The most basic form of Card Counting is the HiLo system. The HiLo count assigns a value to the cards as follows;. The player starts their count at 0 and as each card is played out adjusts the total according to the values displayed above.

This is referred to as the Running Count. If a positive count results this means that more high cards remain to be played and the player may have an advantage. The higher the count the strong the advantage the player has.

Having more than one deck in play does not make Card Counting substantially more difficult but it does mean that adjustments have to be made to the count. For this reason, to gain an accurate assessment of the value of the cards remaining to be played to the player the Running Count needs to be divided by the number of decks remaining to be played.

This figure is referred to as the True Count. For example;. As an approximation each point increase in the True Count shifts the House Edge 0. I stress that this is not a precise figure and as the player who plays perfect Basic Strategy is generally starting with a disadvantage of around 0.

As such the casino will normally have the edge over the player at any True Count less than 2. On average - and depending on the rules number of decks in play, number of decks dealt out before the shuffle and bet spread difference between the highest and lowest bet — Card Counting can provide the player of an edge between 0.

The above is a very simplified overview of Card Counting. So, can you really learn how to win at blackjack? To successfully gain an advantage over the casino using Card Counting strategies requires a lot of practice and research and much of the detail and information required to win is absent from this discussion, including the effect of different game rules, changes to Basic Strategy where the composition of the remaining deck has changed, depth of shuffle point penetration and risk and bankroll considerations.

Where time allows I may cover this topic in more depth at a later date. In general the player will play through one complete deal of the pack, knowing the shuffle that will be performed in advance, and attempt to locate either a dense packet of high cards, a dense packet of low cards or a specific favourable card usually an Ace to visually follow through the shuffle.

Where a packet of high cards is followed the player will attempt to position them in a favourable place in the following shoe by using the cut card — often at the very start of the shoe, allowing them to draw a sharp distinction between their play and that of a Card Counter, who will normally place their large bets toward the end of the shoe - and will raise their bets substantially to take advantage of the higher than normal density of player favourable cards.

Where a packet of low cards is followed the player will attempt to use the cut card to remove these dealer favourable cards from play and adjust their playing and betting strategy for the subsequent shoe accordingly. Where an Ace is followed through the shuffle — normally using cards that were directly adjacent to it in the previous shoe to indicate when the Ace is likely to appear — the player will attempt to steer this card to their hand providing that hand with a substantially improved chance of being dealt a Blackjack.

Shuffle Tracking can provide the player with a substantially larger advantage than those achievable with Card Counting — often double or more - but is vastly more difficult to perform successfully and far more costly where mistakes are made. As such only the most skilled players will ever make money employing Shuffle Tracking techniques.

Hole Carding is the practice of locating a dealer that is insufficiently protecting their down card hole card enough so that a vigilant player can gain information regarding what the card is. The player then uses this information to adjust their strategy to account for the additional information.

The easiest card to gain information about is the bottom card on the pack prior to the player cutting the deck after the shuffle, though this is far from the only way to gain this type of information and sloppy dealers and defective equipment can provide just as strong opportunities.

Regarding the legality of Hole Card play and Card Steering — These strategies are only legal within the US and UK if the player can gain the required information from a natural position and without use of devices at the table they are playing at.

There are several methods of legitimately gaining an advantage via online blackjack strategy. By and large these involve the use of promotions, bonuses and comp point systems and the games by themselves — assuming the game is functioning in a correct fashion — will not provide any additional information about the cards and shuffle after every hand.

What is so impressive about the work of Baldwin, Cantey, Maisel and McDermott is that they completed their analysis simply by playing the game, recording the results and crunching the numbers on an old calculator.

Today this sort of analysis would be far less demanding, with simulations completed at the touch of a button, but the hard work of the Horsemen changed the game of Blackjack forever. It should be noted that each rule variation in the game of Blackjack results in a different Basic Strategy, but this will be addressed below in the Basic Strategy section of this article.

In Edward O Thorp, a mathematics professor who has worked at some of the most respected universities in the United States, read the work of Baldwin, Cantey, Maisel and McDermott on Basic Strategy in Blackjack and concluded that each card in the deck must have an inherent value to the player, either positive or negative, and that if the cards that had been played already could be accounted for the player would know whether the cards still to be dealt were favourable to the player or the dealer.

After extensive research Thorp concluded that small cards benefited the dealer and high cards ten pips and face cards benefited the player. So an excess of high cards left to come out would create a situation where the player would have the advantage over the casino. While over the average of all hands the casino would still have an advantage, if the player bet low when the odds favoured the house and high when the odds favoured themselves that advantage could not only be nullified but turned towards the player.

The surge in popularity was directly related to players realising that the game of Blackjack could be beaten. The reality however was that the vast majority of players failed to learn the skills necessary to beat the game so the publication of a winning system actually resulted in an increase in profits for the casinos.

The Ten Count was an awkward system to implement accurately, requiring the player to keep note of how many high cards came out, how many low cards came out and then calculate the ratio of remaining high to low cards in their head.

While awkward this was still achievable for a patient practitioner at a single deck game.

The Ten Count was an awkward system to implement accurately, requiring the player to keep note of how many high cards came out, how many low cards came out and then calculate the ratio of remaining high to low cards in their head.

While awkward this was still achievable for a patient practitioner at a single deck game. A spokesperson for the LVRHA, Gabriel Vogliatti gave the following quote to the media;. This guy [Thorp] is the first in Las Vegas history to have a system that works. The specific rule changes that were implemented were a restriction of the splitting of Aces and only allowing the player to double down on hard eleven.

These rule changes had the opposite of the desired effect — skilled players could still beat the games despite the poorer rules and the unskilled players deserted the casinos offering the poorer rules. Even the additional edge that the rule provided the house was not enough to compensate for the substantial loss of custom resulting from the rule changes.

Within two weeks of the new rules being implemented, the financial consequences for the casinos had been so substantial that the rules were returned to their former standards with one slight exception, the casinos started to increase the number of decks used to play the game figuring that it would be more difficult to keep track of more cards.

The HiLo count assigned a point value to each card which the player would then add or subtract for each card seen, reducing the mental workload for the player substantially by allowing the use of the system with only one memorised number. The HiLo count made the addition of multiple decks a relatively minor inconvenience to the Card Counter.

Its impact on the world of casino games has been unquestionable. This was done in such a way that many players did not realise that they were being offered a weaker game. The casinos dropped the payout for a player receiving a Blackjack from to With this rule the casinos finally found a way to substantially increase their edge over the playing public without discouraging players.

As the player will receive a Blackjack approximately every 21 hands, even at a slowly dealt game the cost of this reduction can add up very quickly. This rule is now being added by several smaller software providers — generally on single deck games - to online casinos.

These games are by no means prolific, but their appearance is no good thing for players. The correct response to seeing a Blackjack table that only pays is to walk away from the table or close the game! Basic Strategy is the mathematically optimal way to play any possible hand in the game of Blackjack.

Many rule variations in the game can impact the Basic Strategy that the player should apply to that game. As part of our blackjack guide, our experts have compiled a Basic Strategy table. Directly below you will find a table for one of the more common rule variations 6 decks, Resplit to 4 Hands, Double After Split, Dealer Stands on Soft 17, Late Surrender.

The corresponding cell in the table defines the action that the player should take. As a rough guide here is a list of rule variations and the approximate effect based on the rule set displayed above they will have on the House Edge of a Blackjack game;. Homepage Casino Games Blackjack Blackjack Strategy Guide.

Blackjack Strategy Blackjack Strategy Guide Want to know how to win at blackjack? Winning Blackjack Strategies Our experts are often faced with the question, 'What is the best blackjack strategy? Basic Strategy Rule Variations Basic Strategy is the mathematically optimal way to play any possible hand in the game of Blackjack.

Code Best Play H Hit S Stand D Double else Hit Ds Double else Stand P Split R Surrender else Hit Rs Surrender else Stand.

Rule Variations and House Edge As a rough guide here is a list of rule variations and the approximate effect based on the rule set displayed above they will have on the House Edge of a Blackjack game;.

Double else Hit. Double else Stand. Surrender else Hit. Surrender else Stand. Blackjack pays 2 to 1. Blackjack pays 6 to 5. Blackjack pays 1 to 1. Suited Blackjack pays 2 to 1.

Early Surrender full. Early Surrender against a Late Surrender. Not allowed to split 4s. Draw to Split Aces. Resplit to 3. Resplit to 4.

Resplit Aces Resplit to 3 hands. Resplit Aces Resplit to 4 hands. No peek for Blackjack. No peek on Ace. No peek on Double Hard only. No Double after Splits. No splitting aces. Hit Soft Player loses ties. Player loses 17 ties. Player loses 17,18 ties. Player loses 17,18,19 ties.

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Here are my questions. What is the house edge in Super Pontoon in Philippines? Can you make basic strategy from the given rules below? PONTOON The new Pontoon offers more ways to win. The same old game of Blackjack with great new rules. Eight Spanish decks A-9, J, Q, and K are used.

Dealer stands on hard 17 and draws to soft Player�s Pontoon natural 21 wins at the odds of 3 to 2. Player�s total of hard 21 wins at the odds of: A. hard 21 of and suited pays 3 to 1 B. Hard 21 with 5 cards or more � 3 to 2 Player�s total of soft 21 never loses, but will tie with Dealer�s Pontoon natural 21 and Pair Bets Pair outcome on the initial deal immediately pays 10 to 1.

sucker bet, i dont play this Splitting A hand dealt with a pair on its first two cards may be split to a maximum of three separate hands only.

Hitting and buying is allowed after splitting, except on split Aces. Buy Bets Stakes may be increased in any 2 cards for each hit card up to 3 additional times. Dealer always use Continuous Shuffle Machine CSM with 6 decks.

Thanks a lot Last edited by: Denes on Apr 26, Joined: May 21, April 26th, at PM permalink. Welcome to the forum, Denes. This is where questions from WizardofOdds are directed.